So, where does Ivan Cleary sit in terms of the all-time great Coaches of rugby league?
Cleary Snr is the first Coach since Jack Gibson took Parramatta to three straight premierships in 1981-1983 to also win three.
If, as expected, the Panthers beat the Cronulla Sharks on Sunday and make their fifth grand final in five seasons, is a phenomenal achievement in any era. Even more so in a salary cap era.